Carolyn Myss is a recognized pioneer in the field of energy medicine. With Dr. C. Norman Shealy, Myss has demonstrated a 93% accuracy rate in correctly diagnosing a variety of illnesses using her intuitive ability. Her books include, “The Creation of Health,” and “Anatomy of The Spirit.”
DiCarlo-Could you describe how your book, “The Creation of Health” came about?
Myss: It was the consequence of my work with Dr. Norman Shealy, the books co-author. People who attended our workshops were very receptive about what we had to talk about and wanted to learn more. As a result, we decided to write this book and articulate the patterns of health and disease. Every single illness has a specific pattern, like a recipe to it. And so we created this textbook, and that’s exactly what it is. It’s a book that first of all walks you through the reasons why your body loses power, and then what stress causes what illness.
It was the first book to ever be written cooperatively between an intuitive and a physician. In and of itself, the partnership was a statement.
DiCarlo: One aspect of the emerging paradigm of medicine seems to be the cooperation between healers and doctors and intuitive diagnosticians and doctors. In that regard you and Dr. C. Norman Shealy have been pioneers. Is that a trend you feel is likely to continue?
Myss: We’re already seeing that. I was recently on a panel for the American Holistic Medical Association with another medical intuitive by the name of Mona Lisa Schulz, who is both a medical doctor and a PhD. She’s a very well lettered scholar who happens to be a superb medical intuitive. What I realize now, is that it is unimaginable how many physicians want access to an intuitive-a good one. And there are very few of us. The skill of medical intuition is just now emerging, and it is my hope that it is going to become a profession. It’s not as though you decide one day that you are an intuitive just because you may be able to tell when someone is ill and that qualifies you as an intuitive. It requires highly sophisticated skills.
What I have observed in the medical field over the past twelve years, is that more and more physicians are coming to my workshops or I am being invited to teach at their meetings, such as the Holistic American Medical Association. They know that an intuitive is most valuable. Not so much to tell a physician what’s wrong with a patient-medical tests do that effectively.
An intuitive is most valuable when a doctor and a patient both know something is wrong, but it’s not physically observable yet. I am developing a language to help physicians and patients speak in this zone, where the patient can say, “I’m losing power.” That’s not a “disease” yet, but it’s sure going to be. And a physician worth his or her stripes will say, “You’re absolutely right. This is a signal, “May-day, May-day, your going down.” The questions become, “where are you losing power? What is it? What’s the source?” And if you can reverse the power loss at that level, believe me, you will never see the illness in your body because the law is-“your biography becomes your biology.”
DiCarlo: In your work you suggest that these power losses as you call them can be perceived in the human energy field….
Myss: Well, first of all, the human energy field has to be understood differently, and words don’t do justice to the structure. The human energy field shouldn’t be called that at all, but since we do call it that, we have to now define it very clearly. It’s better understood as an information center. Because that’s what it is. And that’s where you store all your messages. That’s where you store all your faxes. That’s where you warehouse everything. Your responses to everything and everyone, all your fear-everything-is stored in your energy field. Your responses form patterns that influence your electromagnetic circuitry which then dictate a quality control signal that influences the creation and quality of cell tissue.
It’s important to understand that this is an energy system, and if I were queen as they say, I would schedule this subject into our school curriculum. In addition to your basic five sensory subjects-math, history, science-you would learn energy anatomy. You would learn the fundamentals of energy reality, which is: “thought comes before form.” Period. End of it. This is not negotiable. And because that is so, guess where we start defining responsibility? Here, in the energy field. This means you would be taught to take responsibility for your attitudes, for the thoughts that you generate because you would be taught that from that moment on, every thought you have has a consequence in the physical world. It is irrelevant to me that you can’t see it. You’re going to live your life by that fact.
DiCarlo: Maybe you can help me through this. Many people are saying that they do not like the word energy either. They prefer the word information to describe the human energy system. On the other hand, Elmer Green doesn’t seem to have an issue with it. He has talked to various healers who have described their healing experiences and say it is similar to working with energy-that it shares some of the same characteristics and properties.
Myss: Well it is energy, but we have never credited energy with having intelligence. That’s the gap. Energy is intelligent. It is alive. It is information-energy is information. It is one and the same thing.
We use the word energy, but we’re one degree beyond understanding it as electricity. But until you recognize that we are transmitting information, it’s invisible so we call it energy. But that’s what it is, it’s information.
DiCarlo: What is the most compelling evidence that these fields exist?
Myss: My own work. First, is my background as a theologian, in the Christian religion. Everything I ever studied in theology validates this. Everything. My area of theology is mysticism and schizophrenia. I was fascinated why everyone goes mad on their way to God. It’s true, it’s absolutely true. Nobody ever goes to heaven sane. You have to go quite insane before you get enlightened. But the journey into divine insanity is really the journey into re-aligning your power authority from external to internal. So everything I have ever read, whether in sacred texts or in my own work in medical intuition supports the existence of these energy fields.
I also know from personal experience. The reason I knew about the chakras, or energy centers, is because I saw them. Actually, the word “see” is not quite right. I don’t see them and I don’t hear them. I’ve never seen anything. The most magical things I have seen have been on television. As an intuitive, I’m the most undramatic one you’ll every find. I have none of those skills-I don’t shake, rattle or roll. To watch me in action is actually very boring-it looks like I am daydreaming and that’s it. I don’t see anything. All I do is start reporting information. I get impressions. How do you describe an impression? If someone was incapable of having an impression or a dream, how would you tell them? What would you say? And that’s the challenge I have. But what I “saw” is that information organizes itself in the body. When I encountered the language of chakras, I said, “of course,” because I had already organized information that way, in certain zones of the body.
Also, look at the language we use. We have already recognized the existence of these energy centers in our social language. If you gave people biological slang and then asked them, “In which circumstances would you say, “”I’ve been stabbed in the back?”” And you gave them the following choices: a) when someone doesn’t show up for dinner; b) when someone doesn’t call you on time; c) when someone does something financial that harms you, they will circle the last statement about the lower back. That’s because biologically speaking, the lower back is where you store your finances.
If someone said, “You’re a pain in the neck” under what circumstances would they use that phrase? Again, if I gave you the checklist, this, or this, or this, you’d circle exactly the one where they are a pain in the neck, when they talk too much. If I asked, “In which circumstance is this, “just sickening”, or “this makes me…” you could fill in any of the anatomical words we use all the time to say exactly what I am saying, although we do it very crudely. We already know everything I am talking about, the only difference is, I’ve made it a very sophisticated science and everybody else is using street slang.
DiCarlo: Could you describe each of the levels of the human energy field
Myss: I break it down into three levels, which is tribal, individual and symbolic. I cluster the 1st, 2nd and 3rd chakras under what I would call the tribal or the group mind. But instead of looking at each of the chakras individually, I cluster them. So the 1st, 2nd and 3rd are one unit.. 4, 5, 6 and 7 are another. Then there’s the 8th, which is the symbolic.
Let’s say I was doing a reading of someone’s chakras…1st, 2nd and 3rd chakras represent all your material and information that corresponds to your physical life. That’s one of the reasons I call it tribal, because all your tribal data is in there. For example, “What country you are from,” “what nationality” “what kind of influence has it had on you?” In other words, how you have been tribally programmed.
Now in addition to your biological tribe, your social tribe is in there. So you may come from an Italian background, and I presume therefore Catholic, but you are also going to have a social tribe, meaning you are going to be an American. That’s a larger tribal group. Then, because your an American, you are going to have a democratic zone in your biology. So you have your patriotism there. Know what else is in your first chakra? Your coordinates for time and space. I can tell how fast you are aging in that one chakra.
Said another way: these three chakras tell me how linked you are to letting the tribal mind- meaning your biological, social and global tribal mind-control you. Because the stronger you are linked into the tribal mind, the weaker will be your personal willpower. It’s directly proportional. So, to say to somebody, “you create your own reality”, is a relative truth. It is truth, but you have to water it down, because people who are tribal do not create their own reality. Their tribe does it with them and for them. So they are in the evolutionary stage of the group mind.
At some point, everyone one of us, somewhere along the line-this life, next life-is destined to break free of the tribal mind and develop the upper 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th chakras. It is inevitable. This is the stage of individuation. The 4th thru the 7th chakras have nothing to do with time and space. Only your bottom three do. So, your first second and third tell me:
- your biology
- your sexuality
- your finances
- all your control issues with other people
- how you interact with others
- all your physical contacts
All of this is contained in that stage of your biology and I promise you, that information is in your cell tissue.
Your 3rd chakra has to do with your definition and working relationship with external power. Repeat: external. “Do you give your power away? Do you look for approval from others? Do you take power from others? Are you afraid of criticism? Have you been criticized?” This information is in your cell tissue. Now we draw the line at these lower three-which we can group together and call your personality. Your personality and ego is contained in these lower chakras.
Now, if you were someone who is extremely tribal, for example someone who is in a gang, or someone who can’t get out of religion-religion is 1st chakra, spirituality is 7th-there’s a difference, yes? If you are completely tribal, then your 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th chakras take their commands from the bottom three. They are completely controlled by that. So now watch…I am sitting in front of an individual who has cancer of the colon, and I say to him, “Now here are your options. In addition to surgery you have to deal with other issues, such as your absolute fear of change. And then there’s the issue of losing control because things are moving too fast for you to order.” People who get cancer of the colon deal with these kinds of issues. They can’t stand losing control. They absolutely can’t tolerate it. Why do you think Reagan suffered from it when Gorbechev ascended into power? He was losing global control. Perfect timing I must say.
So then I might say to this person, “In dealing with these issues of control, you can do a couple of things..you can go to a therapist and work this out…and then you can try…” and I would list all these alternatives. And what I always see-always-if this person is an incredibly entrenched tribal being, I’ll watch them while they absorb the information I am giving them and they will transfer it to their tribal data base. They will run it past their family so to speak, even though their body has not left my room, and then they will say to me, “no, no, no, I can’t do that.” What they are really saying-and they don’t even realize it-is, “I can’t do it because no one in my family has done it before.”
Now do you think those people create their own reality? Absolutely not. That’s preposterous. Their reality is created by the weatherman on TV for god’s sake more than it is by themselves. “Oh, it’s going to be sunny? Ok, I’ll be happy.”
When I watch television, I hear, “Are you going to give us good weather today Willard Scott?” or, “Willard, what’s wrong with you today?” What a trite, ridiculous comment- as if he’s responsible for these things. But you see, that’s very tribal.
DiCarlo: So what you are saying is that this marks the difference between someone who is outer directed versus being inner directed-aligned with their soul?
Myss: You could reduce it to that kind of thing, but you know what? That doesn’t explain the technology of how this works. And that’s what’s so rich about my work. I have got the technology down to a science, literally. I can tell you what thought is associated to a particular chakra, and at what speed. You know, “this thought will cause a particular physical condition in four months.”
So, in looking at the top level, when you start the journey of individuation-being an individual by pulling away from the tribal mind-you begin the journey of becoming congruent, of getting all seven chakras lined up with a more mature will. That’s when you have to go into conflict with the tribal mind, because your are now purging yourself of what you want to believe versus what you have been programmed to believe.
And then the 8th chakra is where your contract is. The agreements that you make with the universe before you are born. So that’s how I divide it.
DiCarlo: What are some of the possible consequences of being fully aligned with our soul-the totality of who we are?
Myss: Well, for on thing, I don’t think you age. I think you mature, but I don’t think you age. Let’s go through the door of mystics, shall we? All mystics, east, west, up, or down-and this fascinated me in my theological years-share certain abilities. Now from the ordinary mortals point of view, they would seem to be gifts, but when you actually get into it, they have earned these abilities every step of the way. And by becoming congruent with your soul, you alter your relationship with time and space. I teach it this way: “Imagine that you have got 100 circuits going through your head. Every day, you get to distribute these circuits whenever you want. Any place you want-within yourself or outside of yourself. Now here’s what you need to understand: for every circuit you distribute outside of yourself, you increase the amount of time required for anything to manifest in your life. For every circuit you contain within yourself, you increase your experience of what you would call synchronicity and at a master level, instantaneous creation. It’s as simple as that. That’s it, bottom line.”
DiCarlo: How do you do that?
Myss: That’s where discipline comes in. You must have a spiritual discipline. You must be strong enough to begin the process of taking your will out of illusion and into yourself. So you face yourself. You face every fear you have got and how much authority it has over you and you begin to challenge it. If you don’t do this, that means you are losing your circuits to that fear. That fear has more authority and every day you are giving that fear more of your circuits. You are keeping it alive. Example: I have no fear of my stereo system. None. Zero. I don’t give away any circuits at all. Now, how about the fear of being mugged? That has got two of my circuits. I feel it every time I am in New York City. So until I can eliminate that fear, as in the case with my stereo, I am giving it fuel. Now I don’t have a fear of rocks dropping on my head. I don’t have a fear of slipping into a sewer. There are a lot of fears I don’t have. I don’t have a fear of heights. Being on top of a tall building doesn’t phase me in the least. But wherever it is that I do have fear, I have work to do. I have to face my fear directly. I have to honestly say to myself, “Do I have a fear of being alone? Or do I have a fear of being in a crowd? ” If I do, I have to walk into it, deal with it, until it is nothing to me. That’s what inner discipline is all about.
DiCarlo: All eastern psychologies talk about the importance of being fully present in the moment. Energetically speaking, what is the significance of the present moment?
Myss: Everything. That’s the only thing that is significant. Do you know that for the vast majority of people I do a reading on, illness is the consequence of living in two time zones. If the majority of your energies are in the past you get cancer. Let me talk to you as if I were your guardian angel. This is what I do in my workshops. Now, if I were your angel, and you had a prayer, and you said, “Help me. I need an opportunity to come to me.” I, as your guardian angel would say, “I know you do. But sweetheart, the kind of opportunity you want is going to require 65% of your circuits in present time-you’ve only got 20%.” So the way I’ve got to answer your prayer right now, is for me to make the things that you have attached 40% of your circuits to, come into your life so you can deal with it. It’s going to look like you are going to have one crisis after another. But it’s the only way I can get you into present time.”
DiCarlo: So it’s kind of like a slap in the face to wake you up and get you out of the past and into the present. Why must a person have to physically have that experience in order for them to be fully in the present? Can’t they simply will themselves to be more in the hear-and-now?
Myss: I think that most people aren’t strong enough to call their spirits back by themselves. How many people do you know who live in the past in some way, shape or form?
DiCarlo: More than a couple..
Myss: If you said to them, “OK, let’s call it back-1,2,3, up, up, up….” Do you think that would work for most people? Look, you don’t know how much power people have invested in holding on to their past. You have no idea.
Here’s what we’ve done. I am convinced that our culture never, ever had a language of intimacy until this massive movement started toward psychology in the 1960s. A language of intimacy didn’t exist. I know people who have been married to one another for over 40 years and they never had a talk about sexual needs. None whatsoever. They only had a talk about stuff below the waist, like “what time are you getting home? ” Or “what do you want for dinner?” Or “How much money are you making?” Or, “Are you cheating on me?” But personal needs, above the waist? Anything above the waist? It never went above the waist. It did not exist. So what was intimacy? How was it defined? Intimacy was defined by what was in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd chakra. How much money do you make? Where do you work? This was intimate.
Then we took the language of psychology out of academia and out of the clinics and mass marketed it, and wove it into everybody’s mind, so that now, how do we define intimacy? By the exchange of wounds, not wallets. So, now two people meet. One asks the other, “Where are you from?” The other says, “Ohio.” The other says, “Chicago.” That’s not going to bond two people. That’s first chakra information. 2nd chakra: you will exchange something at the 2nd chakra level, and you say: “I am an attorney..” or whatever since that’s where occupations are. That’s not going to bond you either. Now let’s go to the third chakra. You say, “I really like the color blue and the color green..” Nope, no bond there. Now watch this: go to the 4th chakra. Let’s pull out a wound, but it can’t be too big in the bonding ritual. We have to share something tribal, something small and bite-sized. After all, you don’t want the other person to run away. So you say, “You know days like this remind me of my childhood….my mother never gave me doughnuts.” Will I take the bait? If I wanted to, I’d send part of me back to my first chakra saying “hurry up, produce an equal bit-sized doughnut childhood memory.” And we have a bonding ritual going on. “You never got doughnuts?” “I never got twinkies.” Bingo-friends for life. And, every time you call me up and say, “Doughnut, doughnut, doughnut” I drop everything because that’s how we have defined support.
Now why would you heal that? I ask you, “what’s in it for you?” Especially if you have me dancing on the end of a rope every time you yell doughnut. You’re going to give that up? I don’t think so. I have seen people go to their grave rather than give up that power.
DiCarlo: Some people have spoken about a process called “soul retrieval.” When a person experiences a trauma in life which they are unable to come to terms with, part of their soul departs and must be brought back. Would you like to comment on that?
Myss: That’s just another word for what I would call having your energy in your past. There’s no difference. “Soul retrieval” is shamanic language for the very same thing. I would say your circuits are going backwards. That’s my language for it. I prefer non-superstitous language. I like a language that is much more technical, because I think the Western mind adjusts to it better.
Shamanism is a first chakra skill, so it tends to use very earthy or occult language, which by no means invalidates it. That’s simply the level of that language. The first chakra is the language the church would use and they would say exorcism, wouldn’t they? Getting the spirit back from a demon.So it’s the same thing.
The interesting thing to notice is that these things are surfacing en masse simultaneously. Why is this? I think it’s time to recognize that our energy gets stuck in different zones, and there is a consequence to that. One, our cells age differently. Two, it causes disease. Three, it makes you function in as many as 17, 18, or 30 time zones simultaneously. You lose creative ability. And you wonder why people are nuts? How’s that for an explanation?
DiCarlo: One of the by-products of living in the modern era seems to be stress. Research seems to suggest that it is a contributing factor towards poor health in those that are unable to adequately cope with it. Could you describe what happens to an individual’s energy field when they experience stress or anxiety?
Myss: Imagine that you have 100 circuits coming in to the top of your head. Now, something triggers anxiety. What would trigger anxiety in you?
DiCarlo: Feeling that I said something to somebody that I shouldn’t have said.
Myss: Ok that’s your 3rd chakra. So you have the perception that you shouldn’t have said something and somebody just stormed out of the office. If you have anxiety over that, what’s really going on is you have given a cluster of your circuits to that person, and that person is walking out of the building with part of your energy. It’s not unlike having someone take a knife and rip your gut open, only it’s at the level of your energy field. You are energetically bleeding. You are hemorrhaging.
Whereas, when you experience something like love or safety, there is no hemorrhage. So when you are not losing any energy at all, you get high. You feel vibrant. You are in ecstasy.
DiCarlo: So would that be referred to as a flow state or peak experience?
Myss: Yes, absolutely. Which is why there is such an unbelievable high when you find out good news after you’ve been anticipating something horrible. You were losing your energy. Have you ever really wondered if someone you love is safe? Seriously wondered? You feel yourself losing your energy, moment by moment by moment. And then you get the phone call and all is well. They’ve made it and they are home.
In finding out that everything is OK, you feel this sense of overwhelming expansion as your spirit comes back to you, it’s like life coming back to your cell tissues. It’s just like that. You return to being in present time, and in present time you are always going to feel energetic. You cannot “not” feel energetic if you are in present time.
So my advice to people is, “Keep your attention in present time only.” Try never to project into tomorrow or back into the past. It costs too much. No one can afford to live in 30 time zones simultaneously. Nobody. Just stay in present time. If people could stay in present time for two days, their whole life would change, because the consequence of having that much energy would activate synchronicities coincidences in their lives of being in the right place at the right time and that would change everything.
Excerpted from the book Towards A New World View: Conversations At The Leading Edge with Russell E. DiCarlo. The 377-page book features new and inspiring interviews with 27 paradigm pioneers in the fields of medicine, psychology, economics, business, religion, science, education and human potential. Featuring: Willis Harman, Matthew Fox, Joan Boysenko, George Leonard, Gary Zukav, Robert Monroe, Hazel Henderson, Fred Alan Wolf, Peter Senge, Jacquelyn Small, Elmer Green, Larry Dossey, Carolyn Myss, Stan Grof, Rich Tarnas, Marilyn Ferguson, Marsha Sinetar, Dr. Raymond Moody, Stephen Covey and Peter Russell.
Russell E. DiCarlo is a medical writer, author, lecturer and workshop leader who’s focus is on personal transformation, consciousness research and the fields of energy and anti-aging medicine. His forthcoming book is entitled “The Definitive Guide To Anti-Aging Medicine” (1998, Future Medicine Publishing). DiCarlo resides in Erie, Pennsylvania.
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